Well; I am so slow that this is under the bridge. Somebody go an idea to protest against the new photo experience by devising a photo saying "flickr Black Day". It was to be published on the 8th of December: That did not mean that the new page would come into existence on that day. Many others also devised a page. Some where really clever. So I did one in the end too. Of course there is a spelling mistake in it!
This is the original photo:
Here is a frightening one:
Not that flickr ever go back from what they have decided on; maybe it would be "egg in their face".
I can accept most of it; but I like to add photos to comments so I can express some extra feature of the photo I am showing.
Friday, December 20, 2013
Black Day
Tuesday, November 26, 2013
Valborg
The time when the 'new photo experience' will come mandatory is quickly approaching. Again I will quote another Flickr user who says it so well:
"Ellen commented · November 26, 2013 12:22 pm · Flag as inappropriate
Marissa Mayer was gushing in the news the other day that Yahoo is now all about mobile. Photo sharing was mentioned. Marissa has obviously demanded a format that is seen to be mobile-friendly. This is what they think fits the bill. The fact that it's a terribly designed, slow, painful (literally, if you get migraines like me) mess that has destroyed the entire experience years of Flickr users had come to love is nothing they care about. Their marketing people have decided this is what will make the shareholders happy. Marissa thinks this nightmare is what will add to Yahoo's mobile focus. So @#$% us, all the actual users. Not their problem. We're just a bunch of ignorant old-school types who haven't got with the program. Yahoo assumes we are not what the advertisers and shareholders want. They'd probably like for all of the photographers and everyone over 30 to leave. They're not going to back down. They didn't listen to feedback from the beta group last time, and they won't this time either. The more we agonize over how they are making the comments meaningless and real communication impossible, the more Yahoo sees this so-called design as successfully doing exactly what they want. (Who types a lot on a mobile device? It has been decreed that long, thoughtful comments are no longer hip and will not be supported.) Let's face it, anyone who cares about seeing their photos presented in a tasteful, aesthetically pleasing way and who wants to interact in a meaningful way with others through photo sharing isn't welcome here anymore."
I have been hoping that we could escape that but that does not seem to be. I was unhappy about the change in May, but manage to cope with it; as my equipment was not old. I tried Ipernity then, but did not take to it.
Now I do not know if it is possible to cope. At least I have to change my Flickr usage. If descriptions, comments, even tags are awkward to use and photos in comments not possible at all, things will be very boring. They will deprive us so many things we are ussed to that Flickr will not be Flickr any more.
Friday, November 01, 2013
Sad
•Strange things happen on Flickr. A person accuses another one for taking her photo, even when the two photos are completely different.
•The accused of course is angry and says that everyone can see that these are two different photos.
”And if I ever wanted to be a thief, I certainly would not steal so conventional and "run-of-the-mill" photo as the "Breathless" is.*LOL”
•I do not know what to say to that as her photo has 65 views and the other has 785 views and is in 2 galleries. Still, it has been on Flickr for some four years longer. Personally I like the one with lesser views better.
•But then she accuses Flickr that maybe it was Flickr's fault,” but I wonder would Flickr ever admit that?”
•I do not like that, the accuser had not even seen the photo on Flickr , but an a 3rd party site
Friday, August 16, 2013
Queen Sonja International Music Competition
The photo is not from there, but someone is singing! Tomeline Mikkeline Eide, who was only 14 at the time, sang at a Balcony concert in the Oslo Opera. Beautiful voice.
The preliminary rounds were on Thursday and Friday. There were 40 singers and no-one envies the judges for their task, so even is the competition. Great voices and interpretations. The ladies are especially difficult to put in any kind of order of preference.
On the first day I liked Erik Anstine from USA singing 'The List' from Don Giovanni, for a lively interpretation using his hands in an imaginative way. The problem was that 'Der Dobbelgänger' sounded to me out of tune in places.
Julia Maria Dan, a soprano from Romania sang well, as did Kristina Mkhitaryan from Russia. The only Finn was Miina-Liisa Värelä, beautiful voice but other sopranos
had more exiting choices. An interesting thing that a Finnish soprano some years ago also sang from 'Fidelio'.
The singers had been fairly even but then appeared this tall Turkish guy singing an aria from 'Un Ballo in Maschera' with lots of feeling (with a great voice to match). His Schubert was "Der Wanderer'. I've never seen or heard such a Schubert interpretation in these competitions, one did hang on every word. The last sentence (translated): Where you are NOT, there is happiness!' was especially effective. Then I knew at least one who would go to the semifinals, maybe to the finals!
On Friday, 2nd day of preliminaries. Notwithstanding a few, the standard was equally high. One could hear a few 'bravos'. Mélissa Petit from France was fairly tiny but sang an aria from 'Ciulio Cesare' with feeling. Hanna Kim from South Korea and Hamida Kristoffersen from Norway received 'bravos', both had beautiful soft voices. Hanna had a tiny frame but 'Teure Hallen' from 'Tannhäuser' sounded huge.
Oleg Tibulgo, Moldovia, was an amazing 'Mefistofele' by Bolto. I really felt alarmed in one stage.
Tuesday, July 02, 2013
Bottomless pit
I know it is not, you can see the bottom.but it is very deep.
As deep as the sadness and despair, yes, it is almost despair now when the Yahoo! toolbar/advertisement is coming. I do not have it yet.
People never stop talking about the Flickr changes, and no wonder. One complaint is that there was no pre warning about the change. Well, there was not by Flickr but on help forum there were hints of them by people in the bucket test, though they could not say much.
Two months ago, in a thread about the Y. toolbar, someone said:
"I want the old version back! This new look sucks and it's a disaster! "
She was answered: " Could it be possible you're part of one of the *other* bucket tests? If you see a link here in the Forum about some sort of feedback group, you should post there, as apparently there are a few different "new looks" Flickr's playing around with testing out."
Oldt1mer also said: "You think you've got it bad with an obscene nav bar...wait 'till you see the bucket test I am now subjected to.
Flickr has gone totally insane!!!!!!!!!!
For the last 24 hours I have only been able to see the first 4 comments on any of my photos and you should see the rest of it!!!!!!!!! It really is dreadful and so badly thought out that people will leave in droves when their subs are due for renewal."
As deep as the sadness and despair, yes, it is almost despair now when the Yahoo! toolbar/advertisement is coming. I do not have it yet.
People never stop talking about the Flickr changes, and no wonder. One complaint is that there was no pre warning about the change. Well, there was not by Flickr but on help forum there were hints of them by people in the bucket test, though they could not say much.
Two months ago, in a thread about the Y. toolbar, someone said:
"I want the old version back! This new look sucks and it's a disaster! "
She was answered: " Could it be possible you're part of one of the *other* bucket tests? If you see a link here in the Forum about some sort of feedback group, you should post there, as apparently there are a few different "new looks" Flickr's playing around with testing out."
Oldt1mer also said: "You think you've got it bad with an obscene nav bar...wait 'till you see the bucket test I am now subjected to.
Flickr has gone totally insane!!!!!!!!!!
For the last 24 hours I have only been able to see the first 4 comments on any of my photos and you should see the rest of it!!!!!!!!! It really is dreadful and so badly thought out that people will leave in droves when their subs are due for renewal."
So if you could read between the lines, there was a warning that something bad was coming. And Oldt1mers predilection was right, it is just to be seen if the toolbar will cause as many pages of complaints or more than the change. After 9 hours there are already 6 pages.
Thursday, June 27, 2013
Tuesday, June 18, 2013
wild strawberries
Wild strawberries start ripening, I have them even next to my busstop and I have planted lots of them in my balcony boxes.
Saturday, June 01, 2013
More from Romania
I expect anyway that they are Romanian, where most of the beggars from outside are from. Couple of days ago there was a survey of how many beggars there were in the central Oslo and the result was: 89 foreigners and 5 Norwegians. They said 5 more carloads had arrived next day.
Friday 31 May I went to the botanical gardens to take more photos and coming closer to the gate noticed the footpath lined by vans. Then I passed two young girls cooking something. Later I heard also some quarrelling. This photo does not show all the vans.
All the Nordic countries have had beggars from EU for years now, though I only have experience from Norway and Finland. I have noticed that people have already got tired of giving,there are so many of them. There's a guy playing accordion on the Opera bridge. There are usually many people passing him on the way to and from the Opera, and hardly anyone gives him anything. I have done it once.
I do not know how many people travel in these numerous vans . Neither do I know where they can stay. Last week the Oslo council decided that people were not allowed to sleep outside anymore, in the parks, under a bridge, you name it. I'm not sure whether it included sleeping in cars also.
Another thing why there is less giving is that so many people use bankcards and usually have no coins on them. I do not also like to start opening purses to get at the money. The number of pickpockets also increases in the summer.
The beggars already in Oslo are also worry that there will be too many of them. They would rather work, of course, but it is almost impossible to find work because of language problems.
They used to sell flowers or 'gold' jewelry, you do not see that now. There's a magazine published for them to sell, like there is for the narkomans and others in Oslo. I usually buy a magazine from the Norwegians, and like to have a friendly contact with them.
Friday 31 May I went to the botanical gardens to take more photos and coming closer to the gate noticed the footpath lined by vans. Then I passed two young girls cooking something. Later I heard also some quarrelling. This photo does not show all the vans.
All the Nordic countries have had beggars from EU for years now, though I only have experience from Norway and Finland. I have noticed that people have already got tired of giving,there are so many of them. There's a guy playing accordion on the Opera bridge. There are usually many people passing him on the way to and from the Opera, and hardly anyone gives him anything. I have done it once.
I do not know how many people travel in these numerous vans . Neither do I know where they can stay. Last week the Oslo council decided that people were not allowed to sleep outside anymore, in the parks, under a bridge, you name it. I'm not sure whether it included sleeping in cars also.
Another thing why there is less giving is that so many people use bankcards and usually have no coins on them. I do not also like to start opening purses to get at the money. The number of pickpockets also increases in the summer.
The beggars already in Oslo are also worry that there will be too many of them. They would rather work, of course, but it is almost impossible to find work because of language problems.
They used to sell flowers or 'gold' jewelry, you do not see that now. There's a magazine published for them to sell, like there is for the narkomans and others in Oslo. I usually buy a magazine from the Norwegians, and like to have a friendly contact with them.
Friday, May 31, 2013
:( If you don't Like the New FLICKR, plze SHARE this picture on yourWall :(
:( If you don't Like the New FLICKR, plze SHARE this picture on your Wall :(, a photo by krysto_O on Flickr.
I have seen another great poster but I did not reproduce it here as it is a bit more rude, but here's the address: http://www.flickr.com/photos/the_moog_image_dump/8801456737/ It is also genial. To see it,
you must copy it on your address line, it is not a link as such, I just made it blue. Dec.2020 The image in blue letters, does not exisst any more.
Thursday, May 30, 2013
Dislike or despair?
These flowers are white and lovely, but some of us when we think of this change are red hot
Thomas Hawk talked about "haters", and people objected strongly. But that could be partly because our Tom just loves the new Flickr:
'While giving all users 1TB of free storage was the biggest news from Flickr today, it is only the beginning."
But many do hate it, that was my reaction when I first laid my eyes on the banner on top and for a second thought I had landed on Facebook:
"I did never think they could do justified on the photostream! though I saw people wish for it earlier, I thought them stupid LOL.
Is it possible to opt out of it? I thought I saw some-one ask that earlier but I'm too nervous/upset to read posts. Do we get to a photopage by clicking on a photo? I hope I get used to this but for the first time on Flickr I have doubts!
And the same thing I hated on other justifieds, loading for ever and ever, crazy.
This is sure to get more people writing on the HF than ever before. I LIKED THE PHOTOSTREAM, BUT NOT THIS! I have hardly ever complained but this is too much, aarrgghhh!
The whole thing is a big bug!! "
But many really hate it:
"
Kurt Kramer says:
This will probably be like spitting in the wind, and my question will just waft away, but...
Not only do I not want the default opening view to be large pictures from my Contacts/Friends, I REALLY DON'T WANT to see strangers' comments on their photos. Don't want to see that trivia and nonsense. How do I stop that? (There's probably no way to stop it, is there).
HATE, HATE, HATE, HATE the new structure. HATE IT!
dr_urbanus (Martin) says:
Hate it hate it hate it hate it. Change it back PLEASE. As someone said, all the familiar points of reference are gone. Too much going on, too busy. Old design was nice and clean.
CHANGE IT BACK!!
TAO OF JONATHON says:
I WILL BE LEAVING FLICKR IN A FEW MONTHS WHEN MY 4th YEAR PRO ACCOUNT COMES DUE. THE NEW CHANGE IS NOT FOR CUSTOMER'S BENEFIT. SHAME ON YOU AMORAL CORPORATE JERKS
Ralf Ogorreck says:
What kind of shit is that? Get rid of this monkey stuff and fire that teenager who build this crap. If there are no changes I'm going to leave Flickr immediately and I mean it.
Ralf Ogorreck
Danipuntocom says:
I HATE IT, I HATE IT, I HATE IT, I HATE IT, I HATE IT, I HATE IT, I HATE IT, I HATE IT, I HATE IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I've spent HOURS organizing my previous Flickr layout, my albums and my collections... and everything is HORRIBLE now!!!!!!!!!
WHY DO I HAVE TO PAY FOR SUCH A CRAP?
WHY DO I HAVE TO PAY FOR SUCH A CRAP?
WHY DO I HAVE TO PAY FOR SUCH A CRAP?
WHY DO I HAVE TO PAY FOR SUCH A CRAP?
WHY DO I HAVE TO PAY FOR SUCH A CRAP?
I paid in advance for a 2 years Pro service, but I will not renew it if it's still like this!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I'm really dissapointed, everything was wonderful until now.
NOW I HATE FLICKR and its stupid MODERN DESIGN. "
them
At the moment one can find 808 on Iperny's expatriate group, though just a few of them are Ipernians of old.
Thomas Hawk talked about "haters", and people objected strongly. But that could be partly because our Tom just loves the new Flickr:
'While giving all users 1TB of free storage was the biggest news from Flickr today, it is only the beginning."
But many do hate it, that was my reaction when I first laid my eyes on the banner on top and for a second thought I had landed on Facebook:
"I did never think they could do justified on the photostream! though I saw people wish for it earlier, I thought them stupid LOL.
Is it possible to opt out of it? I thought I saw some-one ask that earlier but I'm too nervous/upset to read posts. Do we get to a photopage by clicking on a photo? I hope I get used to this but for the first time on Flickr I have doubts!
And the same thing I hated on other justifieds, loading for ever and ever, crazy.
This is sure to get more people writing on the HF than ever before. I LIKED THE PHOTOSTREAM, BUT NOT THIS! I have hardly ever complained but this is too much, aarrgghhh!
The whole thing is a big bug!! "
But many really hate it:
"
Kurt Kramer says:
This will probably be like spitting in the wind, and my question will just waft away, but...
Not only do I not want the default opening view to be large pictures from my Contacts/Friends, I REALLY DON'T WANT to see strangers' comments on their photos. Don't want to see that trivia and nonsense. How do I stop that? (There's probably no way to stop it, is there).
HATE, HATE, HATE, HATE the new structure. HATE IT!
dr_urbanus (Martin) says:
Hate it hate it hate it hate it. Change it back PLEASE. As someone said, all the familiar points of reference are gone. Too much going on, too busy. Old design was nice and clean.
CHANGE IT BACK!!
TAO OF JONATHON says:
I WILL BE LEAVING FLICKR IN A FEW MONTHS WHEN MY 4th YEAR PRO ACCOUNT COMES DUE. THE NEW CHANGE IS NOT FOR CUSTOMER'S BENEFIT. SHAME ON YOU AMORAL CORPORATE JERKS
Ralf Ogorreck says:
What kind of shit is that? Get rid of this monkey stuff and fire that teenager who build this crap. If there are no changes I'm going to leave Flickr immediately and I mean it.
Ralf Ogorreck
Danipuntocom says:
I HATE IT, I HATE IT, I HATE IT, I HATE IT, I HATE IT, I HATE IT, I HATE IT, I HATE IT, I HATE IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I've spent HOURS organizing my previous Flickr layout, my albums and my collections... and everything is HORRIBLE now!!!!!!!!!
WHY DO I HAVE TO PAY FOR SUCH A CRAP?
WHY DO I HAVE TO PAY FOR SUCH A CRAP?
WHY DO I HAVE TO PAY FOR SUCH A CRAP?
WHY DO I HAVE TO PAY FOR SUCH A CRAP?
WHY DO I HAVE TO PAY FOR SUCH A CRAP?
I paid in advance for a 2 years Pro service, but I will not renew it if it's still like this!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I'm really dissapointed, everything was wonderful until now.
NOW I HATE FLICKR and its stupid MODERN DESIGN. "
them
At the moment one can find 808 on Iperny's expatriate group, though just a few of them are Ipernians of old.
Tuesday, May 28, 2013
Astro Boy
"Astro Boy 13 [farm6.staticflickr.com/5348/buddyicons/94944702@N07.jpg?1...] recently sent a message to those that signed his petition:
'Hello Everyone. This is Astroboy13 from Flickr (Toby Tenma, maker of the petition)
First I want to thank Everyone for signing the petiton and want to brin something to light.
Dear old Thea Lamkin for the flickr Help Forums has felt that I am a dig enough threat due to this petition to have me banned from the Help Forums. Due to this complication I can not let people know that a Petition Exists. I implore all of you to please make sure you are sharing this petition with everyone who can sign it. Share it on Facebook and Twitter. I would also make sure you post it at random on the flickr help forums. Let Thea know censorship will not stand!
Now that I am banned, I am counting on all of you to be my hands. Lets make this petition happen and we CAN make a difference.
Thanks for your Attention!
Toby Tenma'
'Hello Again Everyone.
I am sorry to say, I am declaring Flickr a complete lose. Our campaign has failed to gain the momentum needed to gain the number of signatures needed to make a impression on the Flickr Staff. In addition, the Flickr team is taking proactive steps to Ban any users they know have signed the petition. In this light, I am going to make a recommendation. I suggest that anyone will the ablility to leave flickr do so. The website www.ipernity.com has kindly offered to help any flickr users who are upset with the new design. ipernity is almost identical to the flickr old design. They are a relitively new website so I suggest patience with them. They only have 7 staff members at the moment, but unlike flickr, they listen to users and we can help them grow. In addition, there is a old flickr members group you can join where we can help you make the change. If you have questions, you can ask us. The group is: www.ipernity.com/group/286519. I will continue the petition, I just wanted to bring people up to speed. Lets "Abandon Ship" before the RMS Flickr drags us down. They hit their iceberg, but are ignorant enough to think they will not sink.
If you have any questions or comments for me, I can be reached at astroboy_99@rocketmail.com.
Good Luck my friends,
Toby Tenma'"
Well I signed the petition and have not been banned yet :)
By the way, the "Astro Boy" cartoon was sent by a channel in Australia, and I used to watch it.
I wish success for the petition though I have not much hope. To go back would be egg on the face.
New Flickr videos
I just uploaded a video that looked normal in Media Player but on Flickr it has a grey cast. At least this has never happened with my videos before.
Staff has written about bugs that have been corrected. Some are good, like group pool can be viewed with small photos, but I would want the same with the photostream.
-FlickrMail: The option to send a FlickrMail to a member has
been added to the "More" menu ("…" icon) on the Photostream
and Profile pages.
-Group Pool view: The ability to change the Group Pool view from Justified to Small, etc. has been restored.
-Photostream Count: your photo count no longer displays as 0 in the "Edit" mode
-Adding Private Photo: the banner displayed when adding a Private photo to a group has been fixed and no longer displays across the screen
-Comments on the Photo page: We will soon automatically display 20 comments (instead of 4) on the Photo page.
-Group Pool view: The ability to change the Group Pool view from Justified to Small, etc. has been restored.
-Photostream Count: your photo count no longer displays as 0 in the "Edit" mode
-Adding Private Photo: the banner displayed when adding a Private photo to a group has been fixed and no longer displays across the screen
-Comments on the Photo page: We will soon automatically display 20 comments (instead of 4) on the Photo page.
-Pro member usage: Pro members can now see how much space they're
using in their accounts by hovering over their buddy icon in the top right. -Unsafe photos in
home feed: Unsafe photos no longer appear in the Home Page
activity feed not-blurred-out
A funny (?) thing happened when I went to see my statistics, every day said 1 or 2 views. After a while it corrected itself saying the right number.
There is a thread saying that the change has caused a drop in statistics. It does not seem to have happened to many people. Mine are the same, they have never been high, but 22 May had 0 views, was that not when the change happened?
Monday, May 27, 2013
Running away from the new Flickr?
The thread on the new Flickr has grown to 281 pages and over 28,000 replies, most of them still negative. Of course there are some from the same people, but not so many. Flickr staff want everything to go to the feedback thread and has closed many help threads to refer them to the feedback, but new ones are cropping up:
vote on the new flickr ask every member do they like it yes or no
• So this is supposed to be an upgrade?
• An Easy Solution to New Flickr Format!
Some contributions that talk about important matters:
subarcticmike says:
"May I refer to ONE sentence lifted from the flickr blog promo.
"So, we’re also revealing a beautiful new design that puts photos at the heart of your Flickr experience, where they should always be."
Photos have NEVER been the heart of my Flickr experience nor the majority of my contacts, I dare say. I weave title, caption, links and more around my mundane images. And I like being able to see my photostream and all parts thereof from one end to the other via numbered pages.
For me, THE sentence sums up management's bold new take. My take is that I have been enabled for nigh on six years by a once sensible, mostly interconnected website with me putting time and devotion into my very own photo-documentary, which showcased my interests and explored connectedness with others of like mind. And at the comfort and speed I obviously liked.
I cannot drive this new unilateral model as is. No rants, no threats, no vitriol coming at the collective from me. I'm just-awaiting-and-seeing."
ososment says:
vote on the new flickr ask every member do they like it yes or no
• So this is supposed to be an upgrade?
• An Easy Solution to New Flickr Format!
Some contributions that talk about important matters:
subarcticmike says:
"May I refer to ONE sentence lifted from the flickr blog promo.
"So, we’re also revealing a beautiful new design that puts photos at the heart of your Flickr experience, where they should always be."
Photos have NEVER been the heart of my Flickr experience nor the majority of my contacts, I dare say. I weave title, caption, links and more around my mundane images. And I like being able to see my photostream and all parts thereof from one end to the other via numbered pages.
For me, THE sentence sums up management's bold new take. My take is that I have been enabled for nigh on six years by a once sensible, mostly interconnected website with me putting time and devotion into my very own photo-documentary, which showcased my interests and explored connectedness with others of like mind. And at the comfort and speed I obviously liked.
I cannot drive this new unilateral model as is. No rants, no threats, no vitriol coming at the collective from me. I'm just-awaiting-and-seeing."
ososment says:
ososment says:
"been
here since 2005 and seen plenty changes, not sure what I think of the tablet
friendly approach... it'll take some getting used to. though the old format looked very dated it did have the appeal of looking a little like a gallery, where the photos had room to breath. this design is I think a little too unoriginal. I understand the need to compete and I also recognise the design is contemporary to other apps and sites. But I think the team have misunderstood the nature of Flickr, in the same way the team misunderstood the way to manage the community when Yahoo first took over. I'm sure this design will. in the long run, appeal to new users and of course that is exactly what any business needs. Having said that Yahoo, it's worth remembering that the core base feel like Flickr is theirs, not yours. We are the community. And Flickr could be a major player in not only photography but social networking areas because of that sense of ownership." I do not know the speed of my internet but I have no problem of loading, but there a so many with slow connections who find it difficult or impossible to load their pages. |
Matt(ikus) says:
"It's
so slow the new site. Granted my internet is pretty slow. But the previous
iteration was perfectly usable, now with all this huge images clustered about
the page I have to sit watching nothing for a time before I can even see one
persons image. It's frankly unusable now. It's sad because I have been using
the site since 2007 and I have been a pro user for the most part. In the last
year I let my subscription run out and didn't renew because the site seems to
be less active and Yahoo you just haven't innovated. In fact you haven't
innovated ever. You caught the rush first and have been riding your fortunes
ever since. There are a list of simple improvements you could make in order
to bolster the functionality of the website. Improvements that you have ignored
for the last 6 years, which is frankly astounding. I don't know what team you
have working on the site, or who directs them, but it's stoneage stuff. So
disappointed. "Often when there have been changes, people have threatened to leave, and a few years later they are still here, but many are really leaving to other sites. I have actually joined Ipernity, but I am not going to send all my photos there, I am still trying to work here because of my groups, which I cannot send to Ipernity. The site even developed an implement which moves all of a person's photos to the site. ucumari says: "IPERNITY! Very cool site, I'm just learning it but very happy to be there. Will probably be leaving this one very soon I am sorry to say. But when no one cares it does make it easier" I care but what can I do! |
Friday, May 24, 2013
Apology?
Witty nickname has a photo of the launch day and says:
Witty nickname says:
”They don't look too happy.
It's launch day and we had no choice and cannot voice our own opinions. Mean Marissa made us change Flickr.
It's also funny how a number of staff have removed commenting on their photostreams too.
The silence is deafening. ”
ColleenM’s answer is:
”It's not funny, it's sad. People were organizing mass hate attacks on staff photostreams. No wonder they turned commenting off.
I just hope that they feel safe again sometime in the future and turn it back on. It would be a really terrible outcome if staff are never again accessible to regular users because of the folks who organized the hate attacks. ”
That is so true, how can they attack the staff. They are working for Flickr/Yahoo but they are not the instigators. There are lots of replies where people demand an apology from Flickr. I think they should apologise for the attacks on the staff.
What do people expect? Do they mean that the staff should leave their employment and refuse to work for Flickr and possibly face unemployment, because users are not happy.
She also says: ” It is permanent. They cannot reassure you because what you hope for will not happen. What more can they say besides "It isn't going back."?
Attacking individuals on their individual personal photostreams because you are angry at their employer is cruel. ”
Can I apologize as I have not attacked them? Maybe I should!
Witty nickname says:
”They don't look too happy.
It's launch day and we had no choice and cannot voice our own opinions. Mean Marissa made us change Flickr.
It's also funny how a number of staff have removed commenting on their photostreams too.
The silence is deafening. ”
ColleenM’s answer is:
”It's not funny, it's sad. People were organizing mass hate attacks on staff photostreams. No wonder they turned commenting off.
I just hope that they feel safe again sometime in the future and turn it back on. It would be a really terrible outcome if staff are never again accessible to regular users because of the folks who organized the hate attacks. ”
That is so true, how can they attack the staff. They are working for Flickr/Yahoo but they are not the instigators. There are lots of replies where people demand an apology from Flickr. I think they should apologise for the attacks on the staff.
What do people expect? Do they mean that the staff should leave their employment and refuse to work for Flickr and possibly face unemployment, because users are not happy.
She also says: ” It is permanent. They cannot reassure you because what you hope for will not happen. What more can they say besides "It isn't going back."?
Attacking individuals on their individual personal photostreams because you are angry at their employer is cruel. ”
Can I apologize as I have not attacked them? Maybe I should!
No going back
The user is so helpless, it does not matter how much they protest, what many are hoping, to go back to the old design or have it as an alternative, is not going to happen. It probably does not make sense to an outsider, they are shown a general view of the photostream and it looks fabulous. That does not, though, tell one anything about what it is like to use the site. There is not really much new stuff at all, most things we have been using, are there, they are just in a different place. Many have had lots of trouble to find how to add to groups, how to delete tags etc.
People with weaker connections have had more problems, many could not even see their photostream or home page, just the revolving Flickr balls.
This user says it well:
i_am_subverted says:
"So not only did they not listen to anyone in the THREE bucket test groups...but
now they are not going to listen to some, lets say 16,000 negative feedback
responses? I am being very generous with 2k positive replies, I think it is
somewhere closer to 250-500 of 18k.
Bucket test groups, join to read the discussions!
www.flickr.com/groups/2189760@N20/
www.flickr.com/groups/2168715@N25/
www.flickr.com/groups/2244289@N22/
Flickr knew people were going to hate this two weeks ago and rolled it out anyway. They did not listen to users then and will not now. They are just waiting for the commotion to die down so their devoted followers can try to drum up enough positive feeling in the help forum.
Brenda, you and I both know that all those changes and the fact that they even needed to be made are just more evidence for how terribly this was planned. The changes they have made have not been lost, they actually made the issue worse - first telling non-recurring pros they could up to recurring and then backpedaling. "
Thursday, May 23, 2013
Problems?
Why is it that people have so many problems if something changes? The Flickr photostream is now justified so it keeps scrolling down , the justified has pages, but they include so many photos. When I first starting using it, I wanted to get down to the Help Forum but it just kept scrolling so it seemed impossible to get to the bottom. I was annoyed and puzzled for a while but then I just clicked on a photo and from the photo page it was easy to get down, just like before. Now people even come to the Forum to ask help for this problem. I don't believe that my IQ is that high, surely it should not be so hard to find a solution.
To many it has also been difficult to find other things that have been put to another place. Like the former Action, where you can add to groups and sets, see EXIF etc. This is now three dots (...)! But just use trial and error.
The importance of Flickr
I like what was said on the article ”Yahoo: We're listening to user feedback about Flickr revamp” by
Change 56 months ago.
I had forgotten that I used to be one of the admin of a group called
"I'm Not Happy With The New flickr - Can I Have the Old One Back",
131 members. That was initiated 56 months ago, when we had a major change, and also 27 months ago. I wrote then:
”The group has served its purpose - or not. We have a new system, again! I have no poblem using it now, cannot really remember the old one. I still would like avatars next to the group names in 'Add to a group', they would make the group easier to find, but that's not happening.”
Some people have sent photos there now. The change now is a whopper compared to that time. I will certainly always remember how Flickr looked a few days ago.
Some people have a more balanced view:
JMBower:
As for all the griping about pro memberships...If you're pro, you get to stay pro. Huzzah! Why the complaining about the other options? I mean, I don't like them either, but I'm pro...I'm staying pro...it was a good deal before the redesign and it remains a good deal. literally nohting about the account has changed. If you're not Pro, then why are you suddenly up in arms about Pro going away? You aren't losing anything. Nothing is being taken away from you. if anything, you're getting a lot of the benefits to Pro without paying for it other than with ads. My biggest concern was that if they did a nice thing for the free users, that they recognized those of us who had paid into the system for years. Which they are...Pros are getting to keep what we have...and the cost stays the same. That's awesome! Yes it could have been rolled out better and thought through more, but they corrected the error in the matter of a day or so. I know there are a lot of style issues/bugs with the redesign, but as far as accounts go, I think Flickr did a pretty smart thing. Reward your old members by grandfathering them, and moving toward a more sustainable business model to expand your community. Again, it could have been handled a bit better in transition, and there are issues remaining, but the change was coming. If what you want is a serious portfolio type site, then Flickr was never really for you, honestly. And that's from someone who has been griping about the new redesign right along with you. Let's not pretend, though, that we're losing some magical mystical website that never really existed. It's a shaky step forward, and maybe off to the side a bit, but it is a step forward. I think when it all settles out, we won't be happy about every detail, but the sky won't be falling. I understand the frustration but the "I'm going to leave....once I stick around for a while and complain about it" crowd kinda gets to me once in a while. Leave and vote with your money, or stay and work toward getting what you want. the middle road of just carping about it doesn't get you anywhere.
"I'm Not Happy With The New flickr - Can I Have the Old One Back",
131 members. That was initiated 56 months ago, when we had a major change, and also 27 months ago. I wrote then:
”The group has served its purpose - or not. We have a new system, again! I have no poblem using it now, cannot really remember the old one. I still would like avatars next to the group names in 'Add to a group', they would make the group easier to find, but that's not happening.”
Some people have sent photos there now. The change now is a whopper compared to that time. I will certainly always remember how Flickr looked a few days ago.
Some people have a more balanced view:
JMBower:
As for all the griping about pro memberships...If you're pro, you get to stay pro. Huzzah! Why the complaining about the other options? I mean, I don't like them either, but I'm pro...I'm staying pro...it was a good deal before the redesign and it remains a good deal. literally nohting about the account has changed. If you're not Pro, then why are you suddenly up in arms about Pro going away? You aren't losing anything. Nothing is being taken away from you. if anything, you're getting a lot of the benefits to Pro without paying for it other than with ads. My biggest concern was that if they did a nice thing for the free users, that they recognized those of us who had paid into the system for years. Which they are...Pros are getting to keep what we have...and the cost stays the same. That's awesome! Yes it could have been rolled out better and thought through more, but they corrected the error in the matter of a day or so. I know there are a lot of style issues/bugs with the redesign, but as far as accounts go, I think Flickr did a pretty smart thing. Reward your old members by grandfathering them, and moving toward a more sustainable business model to expand your community. Again, it could have been handled a bit better in transition, and there are issues remaining, but the change was coming. If what you want is a serious portfolio type site, then Flickr was never really for you, honestly. And that's from someone who has been griping about the new redesign right along with you. Let's not pretend, though, that we're losing some magical mystical website that never really existed. It's a shaky step forward, and maybe off to the side a bit, but it is a step forward. I think when it all settles out, we won't be happy about every detail, but the sky won't be falling. I understand the frustration but the "I'm going to leave....once I stick around for a while and complain about it" crowd kinda gets to me once in a while. Leave and vote with your money, or stay and work toward getting what you want. the middle road of just carping about it doesn't get you anywhere.
Flickr still under contention
The photo really has nothing to do with the subject unless the ski tracks express confusion.
Jay Black started a Consumer Poll: ’Who wants to have the freedom to choose which Flickr interface they want to use?’ By now 2094 have said they want freedom.
Astro Boy 13 started a Petition: ’Change Flickr Back’ to send straight to the Yahoo’s CEO. It has now 3273 replies. A pity lots of people do not seem to know about it.
Trell Burton started ’Dear Marissa Meyer’. She got a mention in this article:
www.marketwatch.com/story/yahoos-flickr-revamp-irks-loyal...
’Media taking notice at least’. , she says. ’A major newpaper wants to print this article now!’
Some people think that is self promotion. She says her goal was to bring this to media attention on behalf of many people . Why could it not be both!
Relaxer11 has a thread: Strike to the heart ! BOYCOTT SPONSORS !! This has a mixed reception.
Willowbeast says: ’ I am protesting this change by making my buddy icon black, my special new banner black and only uploading black image until we see satisfaction.
The black symbolizes the death of Flickr as we know it.’
elementaPaul says: ’I've never got the point of starting protest groups and such like to 'boycott Flickr'. Surely it would be easier to simply use another website and be done with it?! ’
According to The Searcher: ’Every time I see anyone attempt something positive they're attacked mercilessly by the angry mob.
I guess that's why all the people with positive opinions are just going on about their Flickr business. Why dive into this mess just to say "thank you"? ’
jakerome says: ’Oh please make a serious attempt at this & document the whole thing via blog. Will be very entertaining! ’
Thanks Jake, I had the idea even before I saw your reply. Should think there are several blogs :)
Some time ago the feedback thread had 19,918 replies.
I have gradually learned to use the new system though I still do not like the black and the justified. We should have to be given a choice.
Funny how many have been asking where things are and complaining that they have been taken away. I'm used to finding things by clicking on different figures, trial and error!
Jay Black started a Consumer Poll: ’Who wants to have the freedom to choose which Flickr interface they want to use?’ By now 2094 have said they want freedom.
Astro Boy 13 started a Petition: ’Change Flickr Back’ to send straight to the Yahoo’s CEO. It has now 3273 replies. A pity lots of people do not seem to know about it.
Trell Burton started ’Dear Marissa Meyer’. She got a mention in this article:
www.marketwatch.com/story/yahoos-flickr-revamp-irks-loyal...
’Media taking notice at least’. , she says. ’A major newpaper wants to print this article now!’
Some people think that is self promotion. She says her goal was to bring this to media attention on behalf of many people . Why could it not be both!
Relaxer11 has a thread: Strike to the heart ! BOYCOTT SPONSORS !! This has a mixed reception.
Willowbeast says: ’ I am protesting this change by making my buddy icon black, my special new banner black and only uploading black image until we see satisfaction.
The black symbolizes the death of Flickr as we know it.’
elementaPaul says: ’I've never got the point of starting protest groups and such like to 'boycott Flickr'. Surely it would be easier to simply use another website and be done with it?! ’
According to The Searcher: ’Every time I see anyone attempt something positive they're attacked mercilessly by the angry mob.
I guess that's why all the people with positive opinions are just going on about their Flickr business. Why dive into this mess just to say "thank you"? ’
jakerome says: ’Oh please make a serious attempt at this & document the whole thing via blog. Will be very entertaining! ’
Thanks Jake, I had the idea even before I saw your reply. Should think there are several blogs :)
Some time ago the feedback thread had 19,918 replies.
I have gradually learned to use the new system though I still do not like the black and the justified. We should have to be given a choice.
Funny how many have been asking where things are and complaining that they have been taken away. I'm used to finding things by clicking on different figures, trial and error!
Wednesday, May 22, 2013
Well put on Flickr.
Trell Burton | www.trellburton.co.uk says:
"Let’s not forget anyone with an ounce of sense can see this was designed by someone with much youth and not much experience at life. Clearly someone with no understanding of photography.
Let’s not forget the deafening silence from Yahoo and Flickr and Mayar during the first 24 hours of their new site while they sit hiding reading all the feedback while 15,000 photographers at least panic about who shit on their work. Where are you Marissa? Are you afraid to speak to your customers? Or where there just so many pleas for help that you decided to disable Flickr help support until you can figure out what to do or wait for it all to blow over? This will not blow over for me. And Marrisa, with 12 photos on your Flickr account, and having been a member since December 2012 – what exactly is it you think you understand about Flickr? Not as much as us, clearly.
You have cut off the majority of UK users as we simply don’t have the bandwidth the site requires to operate. I’m guessing you knew this already. Not only that, many of us cannot even download the photos we paid and trusted you to look after. The first response I got form your help team told me it was my fault. It was my browser, it was my firewall, I need a faster connection. Grow up! It’s because you have changed the site, I changed nothing on my computer. The second response was deafening silence and that silence continues.
I, along with many others, have invested almost a decade on my Flickr account – uploading the millions of pictures you are so fond of quoting to speak of your site’s success and we never deserted you despite alterations and rumours of site obscurity. We’ve adapted to all your changes and embraced the good ones. None have been as diabolical as this one. All the others were little add ons to make the experience better and the site more functional – for photography. "
She can put it so much better than I can. It really was amazing that we did not hear a piip from them on the Help Forum. Thea Lampkin promised that she and others would read everything we wrote. They clearly did not expect over 17,000 replies, It would need sitting at the computer for hours and hours, I have been able to read just a fraction, though I love HF
Later I actually found a reply by eMiLy fairly early on some questions, but that was all.
From Blake Forster and others
And so it continues!
ausfi's photostream on Flickr.
This collection is what you get if you want to change the banner to your own photo. The banner was the first thing I saw when I opened the 'new' Flickr. It gave me a great shock. I cannot remember which photo Flickr had given me (a strange photo) , but I have to laugh when people mention 'the horrible seagulls'. The photo might have been quite nice, but people found it an intruder.
177 pages and over 17 600 replies. A good example:This collection is what you get if you want to change the banner to your own photo. The banner was the first thing I saw when I opened the 'new' Flickr. It gave me a great shock. I cannot remember which photo Flickr had given me (a strange photo) , but I have to laugh when people mention 'the horrible seagulls'. The photo might have been quite nice, but people found it an intruder.
"Flickr, please go back to the old look. I loved my little start page where I could see the yellow "new activity" sign pop up... like I had a little prize waiting for me on the other side. I LOVED seeing my image activity count go up. I loved my sets on the side panel begging people to take a closer look at my stuff.
The new look is heavy and opressive and makes me NOT want to look at my own images let alone anyone elses. PLEASE give me the option to stay with the old look. I can't stand the new format."
Desolate
This tree is as desolate as I feel at the moment.
It does not feel good to know that all these close to 16 thousand posts that are mostly negative, will have no effect, we have already been told that nothing will be changed back. They allow this thread so people could come and complain, pour out their heart, hoping people gradually get tired and accept it all.
My heart aches when I have this memory of the former first page, with either larger or smaller photos, showing the last uploads, you could already see several details. It looked so ordered, so tidy.
There we re always some people who wished for a justified view on the photostream but I really thought that would not be possible. Now we can see how bad the idea was.
By the way, to get to the HF, just click on a photo to get to the photo and stop the flow, then you can easily scroll down.
They had put up huge posters on the Times Square to show people's new photostreams, of course they dont want egg on their faces going back from that.
For and against
152 pages written by users, over 15,000 posts. Here is one positive one.
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Tuesday, May 21, 2013
Objections, in vain?
Now it is almost 13,000 posts and 129 pages. But of course we know that Flickr CEO will not go back on her design, they just let us rave and rant till we get tired. Many have left for Ipernity or other companies but maybe enough people will stay. I would not really like to leave my baby, the Oslo Opera House group. Over 4000 photos. I am not going to pay their fees, though, ads or not. And I have to learn to live without stats. 1 terabyte is enough. But 3 minute videos! A few of mine are that long.
The END of this account (on Flickr)
Okalbum, I hope you do not mind that I use your photo on the death of Flickr.
Marissa said she looked a lot to mobile when undertaking the new design. Marcus: Photos are important to both older and younger demographing. And the new design greatly simplifies use to appeal to all ages.
T.O question : What changes have you made internally to ensure that Tumblr does turn into a Flickr like acquisition (meaning a failure)?
The gall of them! 117 pages posted now, today going over 12,000 entries, a few of them positive. Yet, many have already left for Ipernity, who are making programs so people can turn all their photos to Ipernity.
Marissa said she looked a lot to mobile when undertaking the new design. Marcus: Photos are important to both older and younger demographing. And the new design greatly simplifies use to appeal to all ages.
T.O question : What changes have you made internally to ensure that Tumblr does turn into a Flickr like acquisition (meaning a failure)?
The gall of them! 117 pages posted now, today going over 12,000 entries, a few of them positive. Yet, many have already left for Ipernity, who are making programs so people can turn all their photos to Ipernity.
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Usually that would be the case, however, they haven't replaced the old code. All they have done is added a slower, clunkier, more wasteful 'skin' to parts of the site. Worse still, they've added it to the users landing page. I thought the idea was to make the landing pages the quickest, then let the users opt for slower pages if desired?
No new value added, no new features added, just a prettier (arguable), slower, less functional façade!”